How To Change A Fuel Filter On A 1998 Country Coach

Topic: Inverse Cummins fuel filter. Now won't start!

Posted Past: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 05:55pm 2008 Cummins vi.7L FRED. First fuel filter change. Spin on filter about the size of the oil filter.

I did the fuel filter change at the same fourth dimension as an oil modify (can't run into why that would matter, but maybe?)

I did Non put fresh fuel in the fuel filter. I installed it dry. I had read that it would take some fourth dimension to "purge" the air from the organization. Just, information technology merely cranks and cranks. i pulled the filter back off and it is near half full of fuel. Simply, that is after many minutes of dry out cranking.

I am going to run and become some dielsel fuel and try and fill up the filter. Just, there must be a fashion to purge the air from the system if you install a dry filter.

Tin can someone shed dome calorie-free on how to purge the air. I accept tried the fundamental on and then off and and then on. I can hear the fuel pump run for mayhap ten seconds. Just, this is ridiculous!

Thanks.

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Posted By: wild neb on 12/27/09 06:06pm You might desire to check the owners manual.....if retentiveness serves me correctly you must plow the fundamental to the on position for xv-20 seconds more than once for the electric in tank pump to fill the filter...it will run crude for a minuet or two so should be OK..... [emoticon]

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Posted By: Phillerup on 12/27/09 06:06pm turn the key off and on another two or three times and try it ---Don't know most FRED but this is what it takes for a 350....just a proffer.

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Posted By: Habitation on Wheels on 12/27/09 06:09pm We have the same engine. Turn the cardinal on and starting time for 2 seconds.
Let off key do not turn key off. Permit fuel pump run until it quits. Plow key off, then turn key on to start.

Posted Past: smolnar on 12/27/09 06:10pm on my 2006 after installing new filter (dry) i plough the key to accessory on then 6-vii small cranks of the central and and then a full plough , information technology starts correct upwards , it tells y'all this in your service manual i hope information technology helps

Posted By: brobox on 12/27/09 06:10pm I don't know almost yours but my owners transmission gives very proficient instruction on the procedure to change the fuel filter on my 350 Cummins. You turn the cardinal on for 30 seconds iii or 4 time before trying to start the engine. I do mine at to the lowest degree half-dozen time before trying to starting time the engine and accept never had a problem. What did your transmission say the procedure was for your engine?

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Posted By: jefff929 on 12/27/09 06:10pm With my truck I unremarkably exit the filter a little loose. Do the key trick, until it starts to flow over the summit, so spin information technology on the remainder and tighten information technology.

If yous tighten the filter too soon there isn't whatsoever place for the air in the system to get, and the IP isn't designed to pump air.

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Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 06:14pm Thanks. I have the Cummins manual. It tells me to go to the service manual for more detailed info. My rig did not come up with the service manual!!!!! And I tin can't notice it online as a PDF doctor. If anyone has the manual, please look up fuel filter modify and tell me what I am doing wrong

I have tried the start for 1-two seconds and and then allow off the key the fuel pump runs about 10 more seconds, and then shuts off. I accept done this, no kidding, about 100 times. It nonetheless has non purged the air.

I just tried turning to accompaniment. No luck. I will keep trying!

thanks.

Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 06:22pm Is the fuel pump in the back, and so information technology is pushing?

or, is the fuel pump up front end on the engine (front engine diesel!)and it is pulling?

If I crack the filter and the fuel pump is mounted on the engine (so it is pulling), slap-up the filter woudl just depict more air into the system.

If the pump is pushing, then cracking the filter woudl push out the air.

Posted Past: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 06:23pm

brobox wrote:

I don't know about yours but my owners manual gives very good instruction on the procedure to change the fuel filter on my 350 Cummins. You turn the key on for xxx seconds 3 or four time before trying to start the engine. I do mine at least six time before trying to offset the engine and take never had a problem. What did your transmission say the process was for your engine?

My cummins owners manual says to refer to the maintenance manual which did not come up with my rig.

Posted By: Executive on 12/27/09 06:25pm [image]

How many times practise yous need to be told to ask questions Showtime... [emoticon]

Hope you lot get it started presently. I too, accept used the not quite tight routine. The air has to be purged earlier it will fire....Good luck..Dennis

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Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 06:47pm

Dynasty40 wrote:

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How many times practice you demand to be told to ask questions Commencement... [emoticon]

Hope you get information technology started presently. I also, have used the not quite tight routine. The air has to be purged before it will burn....Good luck..Dennis

A calendar month or so I did ask. I got some responses, all of which fabricated it sound like a elementary affair.

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Not my weekend!!!!!

Posted Past: BobR on 12/27/09 07:12pm Follow Brobox's instructions and it should commencement. Turning the ignition to the on position without cranking (starting) activates the fuel pump for 10-15 seconds. Do this several times (5 or 6) to fill filter then engage starter. Other choice is to fill filter with fuel.

Posted Past: mrblanche on 12/27/09 07:18pm Guys, perchance I'yard missing something, but why not make full the filter before you install it? That's the manner I've e'er done it on trucks.

Just as a hot tip, if you lot don't have diesel fuel you tin put in the filter, transmission fluid volition work. In fact, some old-timers merits that information technology'due south actually good for the injectors.

Posted Past: LLT on 12/27/09 07:25pm Which fuel filter did you modify? Primary or secondary (or do you lot only accept one?)

If you got too much air in the system (most people get tripped upwards past merely cranking willy nilly without priming), it may never prime number and start on its own -- you may demand to induce a very small amount of pressure into the tank to "button" fuel to the pump. If you've performed the prime procedure (turn central on, "bump" the starter, wait 30 seconds, plough key off, repeat ~6 times) and it still won't commencement, you'll demand to crack the fuel filter (if it has a petcock, open up it and crank until fuel begins to come out) -- or worse case scenario, introduce a few psi into the fuel tank.

You tin as well try pulling the filter dorsum off and filling the outer holes. Cummins typically recommends installing them dry, merely few mechanics practise... I've watched Cummins techs at CoachCare pre-fill them. Information technology besides indicates on the filter to pre-fill them. Personally, I fill with seafoam - merely had a problem one time, when I didn't pay attention to the battery level and voltage was too low to crank.

Don't panic - it volition start somewhen. Just don't burn down up the starter and consider this a learning feel.

Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 07:28pm

BobR wrote:

Follow Brobox's instructions and it should commencement. Turning the ignition to the on position without cranking (starting) activates the fuel pump for 10-15 seconds. Do this several times (5 or 6) to fill up filter and then appoint starter. Other option is to fill filter with fuel.

I have done it a hundred times. Teh fuel filter is now full. It still will not start. I'm thinking that the key on and off thing does not give the air in the lines anywhere to go. And then, I accept been bump starting information technology for one or two seconds hoping that the air will be released out the injectors.

That is not working either...

I'm outset to wonder if it is something else.....

In that location is fuel. The genny runs. I can hear the fuel pump run for a few seconds when I plough the cardinal on and when I turn the key off.

Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 07:30pm

LLT wrote:

Which fuel filter did you modify? Main or secondary (or do you only have one?)

If you got too much air in the organisation (most people get tripped up by only cranking willy nilly without priming), it may never prime and outset on its own -- you may demand to induce a very minor amount of pressure into the tank to "push" fuel to the pump. If you've performed the prime procedure (turn primal on, "bump" the starter, look 30 seconds, turn cardinal off, echo ~half dozen times) and information technology yet won't start, you'll need to scissure the fuel filter (if it has a petcock, open up it and crank until fuel begins to come out) -- or worse example scenario, introduce a few psi into the fuel tank.

Y'all can likewise try pulling the filter dorsum off and filling the outer holes. Cummins typically recommends installing them dry, but few mechanics exercise... I've watched Cummins techs at CoachCare pre-fill them. It besides indicates on the filter to pre-fill them. Personally, I fill with seafoam - merely had a problem once, when I didn't pay attention to the battery level and voltage was too low to crank.

Don't panic - information technology volition starting time somewhen. Just don't burn upward the starter and consider this a learning experience.

I like the Body of water Cream idea. The filter is full now. Merely information technology notwithstanding won't run. Maybe some pressure to push fuel through????? How do I practise that?

Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 07:32pm

LLT wrote:

Which fuel filter did you change? Main or secondary (or do you only have one?)

If you lot got too much air in the system (most people get tripped up past just cranking willy nilly without priming), information technology may never prime and outset on its own -- you may need to induce a very minor amount of force per unit area into the tank to "button" fuel to the pump. If you've performed the prime procedure (turn key on, "crash-land" the starter, wait 30 seconds, plow central off, repeat ~6 times) and it notwithstanding won't first, you'll need to crack the fuel filter (if it has a petcock, open it and creepo until fuel begins to come out) -- or worse case scenario, introduce a few psi into the fuel tank.

You tin can also try pulling the filter back off and filling the outer holes. Cummins typically recommends installing them dry out, but few mechanics do... I've watched Cummins techs at CoachCare pre-fill them. It also indicates on the filter to pre-fill up them. Personally, I fill up with seafoam - only had a problem in one case, when I didn't pay attention to the bombardment level and voltage was besides depression to creepo.

Don't panic - it will start eventually. But don't burn up the starter and consider this a learning experience.

And, there are two filters side by side. The ane closet to the tank has the water separator petcock on it. The i right next to it only closer to the engine is a spin on and is the one I replaced. No petcock to allow fuel menstruation.

Posted By: scooter4 on 12/27/09 07:44pm Y'all may want to check your fuel close off solenoid. could be a coincident,these things have a trend to become bad.

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Posted By: steveownby on 12/27/09 08:10pm Make gravity work for you. Creepo upwards the generator and lower the front every bit low equally possible and jack up the rear every bit high as possible. If you got air in the line back toward the fuel tank then you need all the help you can go.

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Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/27/09 08:26pm

LLT wrote:

If you got besides much air in the system (about people get tripped upwardly by but cranking willy nilly without priming), information technology may never prime and start on its own -- you may demand to induce a very small corporeality of pressure into the tank to "push button" fuel to the pump.

I idea this was a crazy thought! Just, it worked!!!!!

I think at that place was then much air, that it had no identify to go! I took off the gas cap and cut a slice of iii/iv" thick wood into a 3"x3" foursquare. This was big enough to cover the gas cap pigsty. I put some i/eight" foam on one side of the block of forest to seal against the gas tank hole. I drilled a 1/4" hole in the center of the block of wood. I ready the pressure level relief valve on my compressor to thirty psi.

I took the block of woods out to the motorhome and set information technology over the opening (cream side down to create a seal) and stuck my blow gun into the one/iv" hole and pumped upward the tank until the air would come up rushing dorsum out the 1/iv" pigsty when I removed the accident gun off the hole. Then I covered the pigsty with my finger to keep the pressure in the tank and my wife cranked the engine. Inside ten seconds, it fired right upwardly!

CRAZY! Very good suggestion! Thanks to anybody!

I call up I volition fill the filter with Body of water Faom next time!

Posted By: Executive on 12/27/09 xi:08pm Ah! It's nice when some skilful ole redneck boy trick does the task eh????? Happy to hear you're dorsum in business organization....Thanks for the update.....now if we can only go people to believe in the moisture/dry vac in the dipstick hole trick......Dennis

Posted Past: LLT on 12/28/09 12:00am

Dynasty40 wrote:

Ah! It'south nice when some expert ole redneck boy play tricks does the job eh????? Happy to hear you're back in business....Thanks for the update.....at present if we can only get people to believe in the wet/dry out vac in the dipstick pigsty trick......Dennis

Ain't that the truth, Dennis! [emoticon] We live in such a litigious society now, manufacturers over-complicate everything in the spirit of CYA. Cummins management would have a stroke if they witnessed what their own techs do when they're non around to lookout.

FYI to the OP - you didn't damage annihilation, but 30psi is a lot, yous don't need more than than a few psi should y'all ever install a dry filter once again. Also, when filling with sea foam, you "should" plug the middle hole and pour into the outer holes -- the center hole is unfiltered. I tin can't see the can existence contaminated, simply you never know - better safe than deplorable.

Glad y'all got it running again - that feeling of impending doom and visions of dollar signs is a bit freaky. [emoticon]

Posted Past: retired logger on 12/28/09 01:14am

time_to_go_now wrote:

LLT wrote:

If you got too much air in the organization (nigh people become tripped up by only cranking willy nilly without priming), information technology may never prime and beginning on its own -- you lot may need to induce a very small corporeality of pressure into the tank to "push" fuel to the pump.

I thought this was a crazy idea! But, it worked!!!!!

I think there was so much air, that it had no place to go! I took off the gas cap and cut a piece of 3/4" thick wood into a 3"x3" square. This was large plenty to cover the gas cap hole. I put some 1/8" foam on one side of the block of wood to seal confronting the gas tank hole. I drilled a 1/4" hole in the center of the block of wood. I gear up the pressure relief valve on my compressor to xxx psi.

I took the block of wood out to the motorhome and set information technology over the opening (foam side downwards to create a seal) and stuck my blow gun into the one/4" pigsty and pumped up the tank until the air would come up rushing dorsum out the one/4" hole when I removed the blow gun off the hole. So I covered the hole with my finger to keep the pressure level in the tank and my wife cranked the engine. Within ten seconds, it fired right up!

CRAZY! Very adept suggestion! Thanks to everyone!

I think I will fill up the filter with Sea Faom next time!

Hey I didn't add together a scrap of advice but was sitting on the sideline reading and rooting for you.. YAH HOOO, glad it worked out for yous...!!!

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Posted By: bullydogs1 on 12/28/09 05:17am While I accept spare fuel filters on board....I am going to permit Coach Intendance or Speedco alter them at wintertime'south end...While I could do it myself, sometimes I end up with Lady Luck not going my way and don't want to be penny wise, dollar foolish....If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any.

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Posted By: Hjudge49 on 12/28/09 06:49am For future info, there is commonly a "drain" screw on top of the filter housing (or nearby). When you lot get an air lock like y'all had in this case, if you loosen the screw and run the pump until fuel comes out, it will prime itself. On older diesels, when we had this problem, nosotros often had to loosen the lines to one or more than of the injectors and and then crank the engine until it fired and tighten everything back. Now THAT was a PIA. Of form, those engines had a little "priming" lever on the manual fuel pump that we had to piece of work to make full the filters.

Posted By: squeakkos on 12/28/09 06:51am skilful job LLT

Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/28/09 09:12am

Hjudge49 wrote:

For future info, in that location is usually a "bleed" screw on top of the filter housing (or nearby). When you get an air lock like you had in this case, if you loosen the spiral and run the pump until fuel comes out, it will prime itself. On older diesels, when nosotros had this trouble, we often had to loosen the lines to one or more than of the injectors and and then creepo the engine until it fired and tighten everything dorsum. At present THAT was a PIA. Of course, those engines had a fiddling "priming" lever on the transmission fuel pump that we had to piece of work to fill the filters.

I figured there had to exist SOME way to manaully drain the arrangement. I sure couldn't find information technology. Only, since I didn't know exactly what I was looking for, it could however be there. I had to make this really hard every bit this is supposed to be washed at every oil change! It should not be that difficult!

Posted Past: time_to_go_now on 12/28/09 09:22am

bullydogs1 wrote:

While I take spare fuel filters on board....I am going to let Jitney Care or Speedco change them at wintertime's finish...While I could practice information technology myself, sometimes I end up with Lady Luck not going my way and don't desire to exist penny wise, dollar foolish....If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't take any.

Boy...you lot tin can say that again! I had a actually bad four day stretch!

I tried to bleed the sediment from the hot water heater in my stick firm. That plugged up ii showers with debris in the hot water pipe somewhere (not the fixtures!). Had to pay a plumber to come up fix it.

I installed some struts on my Titan. Information technology was supposed to be piece of cake, but the new ones were longer than the quondam ones. But, they were supposed to fit, then I got them on! Took most of the 24-hour interval. So I picked upward a message on my role phone that the guy shipped me the wrong part number!

Had to replace a pump on the fish tank. It took five trips (20 miles each way) to the fish shop to FINALLY become the correct pump! A pump with the same model number had been redesigned twice since my pump was purchased! Same pump, same model number, three different shapes and sizes! Only one size would fit!

So the fuel filter fiasco.

If in that location is a silver lining, it is that my DW does Non Want ME TO TOUCH Annihilation for awhile!

I'm heading to the desert for New Years. My son'south motorcycle has a flat on the forepart tire. I can't wait to see how I screw that upwards!!!!!

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Posted Past: Clieb on 12/28/09 09:27am Fill it with automatic transmission fluid before you put information technology dorsum on. If you don't believe me check this out with a diesel fuel mechanic. Information technology is an old trick they use when changing fuel filters.

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Posted Past: time_to_go_now on 12/28/09 09:28am

LLT wrote:

Glad you lot got it running again - that feeling of impending doom and visions of dollar signs is a bit freaky. [emoticon]

The only thing that acquired me to keep my cool was that THESE FILTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO Exist CHANGED AT EVERY OIL CHANGE! Information technology can't be as difficult as I was making information technology.

At least, that is what I kept telling my DW! She was convinced I installed the role incorrectly. I kept trying to explain to her that it would be hard to screw upward the installation!

I never really had 30 psi in the tank. I would put a couple seconds of air smash in the tank, and and then remove my finger to see if air came back out. In that location was less than half a tank of fuel, and then in that location was a lot of air infinite. Equally soon as I started getting back pressure out of the hole, I plugged the hole with my finger and told the DW to "start her upwardly"!

Posted By: time_to_go_now on 12/28/09 09:30am delete dup post

Posted Past: camping human being on 12/28/09 02:48pm Another thing I've found out over the years of repairing auto,trucks,ect.. Don't take your sweet time replacing oil filters,fuel filters etc., some systems drain back after a few minutes, and you lot'll have a heck of a time getting the air out, and edifice pressure level back up. When you lot spin it off, exist set to spin a new i back on right away.

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Posted By: TZScales on 01/03/ten 08:07am What is sea cream and how does it aid in starting a diesel engine? Thanks.

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Posted By: greg121 on 01/03/10 06:29am Out of curiosity - is your fuel cap vented? Else was there non a vent line you had to plug to get pressure in the tank?

Posted By: squadleader on 01/03/10 06:54am Phone call me crazy, but I just pre-fill my new filters with diesel fuel from my jug. How dingy could fuel poured off the top of a fresh jug be?

This is a case of "perfect procedures" getting in the way of getting downward the road. Information technology's hard for me to imagine how 10 ounces of clean unfiltered fuel is going to ruin my engine. So far information technology hasn't. Just lucky I guess.

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Posted By: islandtees on 01/03/10 07:09am Squadleader,I prefill mine too.Its not the engine being ruined.You have to be carefull of no dirt in the pump itself.

Posted Past: wolfe10 on 01/03/10 07:31am

squadleader wrote:

Call me crazy, merely I just pre-fill up my new filters with diesel fuel from my jug. How dingy could fuel poured off the acme of a fresh jug be?

This is a case of "perfect procedures" getting in the way of getting down the road. Information technology'due south difficult for me to imagine how 10 ounces of clean unfiltered fuel is going to ruin my engine. So far it hasn't. Just lucky I guess.

IF yous fill a fuel filter, fill the INLET holes (small-scale holes around the perimeter), not the OUTLET hole (big center 1).

Last/secondary fuel filters filter to either v or 2 micron. That is far smaller than the size of particles that are visible to the human eye. Your "clean" diesel fuel may or may not exist free of the tiny particles that can harm your injection organization.

Merely doing the easy affair and filling the center hole falls into the category of "I got away with information technology".

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Posted By: RRRKKK on 01/03/ten 07:53am Mine is the size to thread a three/four pipe nipple in the center hole, and so I can pour into the small-scale inlet holes. Information technology makes no sense also me to take the chance, maybe old school but I have never heard of a non starting problem with filling fuel filters and as well oil filters before installing.

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Posted Past: islandtees on 01/03/x 07:40pm I dont know if I would use seafoam.I thought it independent alcohol.I may be wrong.

Posted By: yudamann on 01/03/10 08:09pm This is the process that I received from Cummins tech support which is great:

Fuel/Water Separator Service; use new Cummins function only for replacement

ane. To test for water, open up valve at bottom and obtain most 2 teaspoons full, NO More than this! Close valve tightly.
two. If engine volition non start after this do the post-obit:
A. Plough key to "on", await five seconds.
B. Bump starter for ane second
C. Expect 30 seconds while transfer pump moves fuel around
D. Turn key to off
E. Repeat A-D 6 times
F. Then, crank engine for no more than 30 seconds
Thou. If withal no beginning, wait two minutes and crank again for 30 seconds max
H. If still no beginning, accuse chassis batteries and repeat A-G

To replace this filter and the final fuel filter, fill vessels to brim with fresh diesel fuel fuel when installing. Perform operations 2-H above.

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Posted By: CT_WANDERER on 01/03/10 08:07am Hey I am wondering if you are going to put tranny fluid into the fuel filter why non merely us fill it with regualar fuel oil?

Posted Past: Sez Hoo! on 01/03/ten 08:45pm Good question TZ what is sea foam. I'm new to diesel engines

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